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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Monk pic - probably a simple double exposure. Lot's of ghost pics were faked in this way. Look at his face - isn't it funny how it looks like it's made up of a piece of muslin with two eye holes cut out?.

Are you saying Vicars don't fake stuff Cactus?.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well from what Ive read this photograph was tested and found not to be faked - leaving the only possibility that its not a ghost being a trick of light - which in this case I dont consider plausible.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much testing you can do with a photographic print unless you also have the negative and the camera that took it. Unless we know what was tested, by whom and how then the fact that it was tested is pretty meaningless. It's certainly not a trick of the light so it's either a genuine ghost monk or a fake.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a message I read about this photo:

"With regard to the (black and white)monk in the church photo which you claim is a double exposure, in the early 80's I was connected to a team that examined this (and many other) supposedly supernatural photographs for the BBC, and the one thing we decided it wasn't was a double exposure. We used, at the time, the latest in computer enhancement technology and no trickery was detected. We examined about fifteen other famous photographs (including Indre Shira's photo of the Brown Lady in Raynham Hall) and all of them were explicable in decidedly prosaic terms. Furthermore, the photograph is of the complete altar, not just the half with the 'monk' in it. I feel you are doing a diservice to the photograph by presenting it in this truncated form"

Faithfully

Karl Denchly


Yes you are right - without the negatives we cant be sure this is not a fake, and unfortunately that isnt possible now.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Denchly doesn't elaborate on how it was tested apart from with the relatively primitive computer technology of the time. He doesn't say whether he tested the negative or a print of a print of a print (which is I suspect the case).

No negatives - no point testing.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the most famous of all ghost photos, this highly controversial shot from 1936 of the Brown Lady of Raynham Hall has an interesting pedigree. An example of one of the best photographic evidence for the existence of ghosts ever taken, what makes it so compelling is that the photo was taken not by a ghost hunter looking for the things, but by two innocent photographers sent by the London magazine Country Living to take some interior shots of the building. What's also interesting about this shot is that in contrast to most photos in which the figure is not seen until after the film is developed, the spectral figure of a woman descending the stairway was seen seconds before the shutter was snapped. The negatives on this photo have been scrutinized by literally hundreds of experts (and no small number of skeptics) who can find no evidence of it being either a hoax or a double exposure. It has been, however, suggested the figure could be the result of a smudged fingerprint on the lens, though this seems like a stretch to me. Still considered by many to be the best "capture" ever taken.


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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anomalies in the picture become apparent when a light and uncropped copy of the Brown Lady photograph is examined.

Herbert also obtained a signed statement from the developer who confirmed that the image had been present on the original negative and had not been tampered with. However, close examination of the picture in conjunction with Herbertís report shows that something has gone very wrong indeed.


Taken from The Brown Lady of Raynham Hall by Alan Murdie : Fortean Times September 2006.

Read the full article:
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/86/the_brown_lady_of_raynham_hall.html

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ALEX LOCKWOOD



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly Alex but how do you know we do?. If we did then there would be billions upon trillions of imprints constantly left in the geology and man made fabric of the planet and I'd expect far, nay, many many more people to be picking up on them.

An over exaggeration on the number, I feel, DB. But, then you are a Master of Over Statement...

But the various degrees of crystalline materials in stone (and to a far less degree in brick) do not work on the same basis as a Calculator, watch or LCD. The mechanics are as different as a Vinyl record is to a solid state flash drive.

How do you know Question And can you prove it. Maybe, you should come up with conclusive evidence for once Exclamation

'Frequencies' is a catch all phrase often cited by the woo to try to add some science to their hokey beliefs - it just doesn't cut the mustard with me unless you can back it up with a lot more credible science.

I'm not bothered what condiment you use, DB. Maybe you should provide a list of ingredients for it Question

A very plausible theory until you try to provide evidence for it. It's certainly one that I've subscribed to in the past but it falls down when it's taken apart bit by bit. If you want to explain it further using known science and the laws of physics as we currently understand them then by all means go ahead.

The balls in your court, Professor. I presume by 'we', you are talking about yourself (again). You do have an over inflated sense of your own importance
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An over exaggeration on the number, I feel, DB. But, then you are a Master of Over Statement...


If I've said it once I've said it a million times. I'm not the master of the overstatement Laughing

How do you know And can you prove it. Maybe, you should come up with conclusive evidence for once


Basic 3rd grade science Alex. I'm not here to educate you on your lack of understanding - go look it up on the internet, it's there for you.

I'm not bothered what condiment you use, DB. Maybe you should provide a list of ingredients for it

That's known as a Red Herring Alex - where someone introduces an irrelevant side issue to an argument to deflect the focus from the main issue.

The balls in your court, Professor. I presume by 'we', you are talking about yourself (again). You do have an over inflated sense of your own importance

Ah the personal attack - last resort of a failed debate. Well done Alex. What next...you going to call me 'Fatty'?.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney wrote:
Anomalies in the picture become apparent when a light and uncropped copy of the Brown Lady photograph is examined.

Herbert also obtained a signed statement from the developer who confirmed that the image had been present on the original negative and had not been tampered with. However, close examination of the picture in conjunction with Herbertís report shows that something has gone very wrong indeed.


Taken from The Brown Lady of Raynham Hall by Alan Murdie : Fortean Times September 2006.

Read the full article:
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/86/the_brown_lady_of_raynham_hall.html

DB


whatever fatty

Laughing
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever fatty


Right back atcha' Paddy Very Happy

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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Alex has retreated into his Crystal ball. Maybe he'll come back and post with some insightful revelations that prove the validity of Angels. Or maybe Alex can give but he can't take?.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney, yes I think Alex is a giver not a taker Laughing
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
D B Sweeney, yes I think Alex is a giver not a taker Laughing


I'll debate until the cows come home. But when a member has to resort to insults and snide remarks then as far as I'm concerned they've thrown in the towel.
I know other people disagree with my opinions and vice versa but at the end of the day this is just a forum, it's not life n death.
People should chill and go watch a DVD then come back and be friends Laughing

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the problem is that you insulted his belief system and put him on the defensive.
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