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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Stow Maries airfield, Flambards farm, Essex Reply with quote

Bit of an odd one this, as it's one I half ignored for many years...

Many years back, I was in the army cadets, and we used to go out camping at various locations. One such was Flambards farm, in Essex. Now, I knew it was an old disused airfield, but other than that knew very little about it. There were tales of ghosts, obviously, but none to make one convinved.

Anyway, there we all were, in the remains of one of the buildings, bedded down for the night. It was 12 midnight, and pitch black. Everybody else was asleep, but me? Still awake as usual. All was quiet when I heard the sound of an aero engine. Not a recent one, but a single piston engine that was very old, and/or very rough.

Did I consider it the ghost? Don't be silly, this airfield was WW1, and they didnt fly at night back then! I paid little attention, and went to sleep.

18 years later, and I'm chatting to someone about ghosts. I happen to mention this airfield, and how easy it'd be to believe the stories, and jump to the conclusion that the aeroplane i heard was a ghost (though to be fair, it'd be very unusual to hear a plane that old and basic flying after dark even now!) I told my friend about it being WW1, and tried looking it up online. What did I find? It was a WW1 airfield, and was also one of the first night fighter stations, used to combat the Zeppelin!!!

So, not a definite haunting, but certainly a likely one.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm.. wonder if it was just a residual that you were tuned into..
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is a residual?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YB wrote:
Hmm.. wonder if it was just a residual that you were tuned into..


Almost certainly was, in my opinion.

bitterbuck1 wrote:
What exactly is a residual?


Obviously it's all theoretical, but basically the majority of hauntings fall into roughly two categories.

One type's a spirit haunting (has other names too) where the subject of the haunting is present. That is the ghost that you see/sense is there in real time, and can often either show awareness of you, or some form of recognition of it's surroundings/situation

with a residual, all we're seeing is the memory, a bit like a recording. There is no recognition, as there's no entity there. it's a bit like the difference between seeing a play, and a film. One's "live" the other's recorded. Often a ghost is seen walking along a street, with the pavement seemingly up to its knees, or maybe it walks through a door? This would probably be a residual moving along a path that once existed.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So....more than likely most of the things seen at say, an old battle field would be considered a residual.
Amazing how something could be so profound as to "imprint" it's life/story for the future to see.
Thanks for clarifying that Moon. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No probs bitterbuck

Another thing about residuals is that they are created from one event, so the energy is usually non renewable. This means that in time they fade, until what was once a great haunting becomes no more than a slight feeling.

A good example of this is the English civil War battlefield of Naesby. It is written that for years after the event the locals would watch "reenactments" from the hillside, though this practice dwindled as the images faded over the years.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes one wonder where the energy comes from and why it fades after YEARS..
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YB wrote:
Makes one wonder where the energy comes from and why it fades after YEARS..


Ok, and not forgetting that this is all theoretical stuff...

We know for a fact that the body radiates energy, primarily through the medium of heat.

We understand that although not officially proven, there's a lot of evidence that telepathy exists.

If a signal is passing from one person to another, is it fair to assume that some form of energy is required? Not to say that the waves are energy, but energy's bound to be present in some form

Telepathy appears to be most noted during periods of trauma ("living ghosts" or "crisis apparitions") or death (a well witnessed one of these was the appearance of Admiral Tryon, at a party in his home, at the same time he was going down with HMS Victoria following a collision with HMS Camperdown off the coast of Tripoli)

IF these are true, would it be fair to summise that at a moment of trauma energy would be emitted from the body somehow? Could it then be either this energy, or whatever telepathy is, that somehow becomes imprinted on the ether, and replays over and again to give us a residual haunting?

IF this is the case, then over time the energy from the original trauma would have been used up, and as this happens less will be available to "power" the haunting. Think of it as being like a torch, where the haunting's the light, and the residual energy's the battery. See how it starts of brightly, but over time begins to fade until it's not even visible?

Thats how I see it anyway, though probably begged more questions than it's answered!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting theory. We have a battlefield here called Gettysburg. Very well known for the large amount of human lives lost, some violently. There have been reports and even video caught of solders doing battle there still.

Keeping in mind that the human body is also run by "electric current" at a miniscule amount, could be that somewhere mixing with, lets say the earth magnetic field that it could record an event like on an audio or video magnetic tape. Playback occurs when the right reciever (person?) is at the right place at the right time to see it.

Whether in this existence or the next level, I hope I find answers to these questions. Would make a wonderful read.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the CITB/Construction College in Bircham Newton here in dear ol' Norfolk (UK) we have some lovely ghostly goings on - I suppose you could call some of them residuals more than ghost. The site is an old WW2 Airfield which had the large Bombers that flew night time raids.

1 - Theres often been a car full of officers seen crashing into a hanger (this actually happened during the war, all of them died)
2 - The unmistakable whir of plane engines when out on the back field.
3 - Men dressed in WW2 flight suits have been seen where a damaged bomber crash landed in 1943 - (again this actually happened but no survivors)
4 - many staff and students have seen officers and RAF personnell around the buildings especially the dormatories.
5 - the squash courts are haunted buy a man who was found hanging there during the war.

These are the most famous ghosts but other hauntings have been mentioned too!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twirly-girly wrote:
At the CITB/Construction College in Bircham Newton here in dear ol' Norfolk (UK) we have some lovely ghostly goings on - I suppose you could call some of them residuals more than ghost. The site is an old WW2 Airfield which had the large Bombers that flew night time raids.

1 - Theres often been a car full of officers seen crashing into a hanger (this actually happened during the war, all of them died)
2 - The unmistakable whir of plane engines when out on the back field.
3 - Men dressed in WW2 flight suits have been seen where a damaged bomber crash landed in 1943 - (again this actually happened but no survivors)
4 - many staff and students have seen officers and RAF personnell around the buildings especially the dormatories.
5 - the squash courts are haunted buy a man who was found hanging there during the war.

These are the most famous ghosts but other hauntings have been mentioned too!


Well, as we're on the residual/non residual thing at the moment, lets have a look...

1) I'd go for residual, as it's a straightforward recording of what happened. No changes or obvious reactions to surroundings other than those from the original. Should the hangar be removed, i'd wager they'd either no longer appear, or would just vanish at that point.

2) Probably residual, no actual spirit or ghost (unless engines have souls?) but probably picking up a memory of what was.

having said that, it may be a case of "tuning in" to a localised spirit, and hearing/sensing what they do/did. Possibly even a limited time slip, though I generally hate that phrase

3) Spirit. if it were a residual, they'd be doing the same as they did at the event, ie crashing. They may even not be aware that they're dead, and be milling around wondering what's happened

4)/5) impossible to say without knowing more about the manifestation of the haunting.


oooh, that was fun, who else wants a go?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solstice Moon wrote:


Ok, and not forgetting that this is all theoretical stuff...

We know for a fact that the body radiates energy, primarily through the medium of heat.

We understand that although not officially proven, there's a lot of evidence that telepathy exists.

If a signal is passing from one person to another, is it fair to assume that some form of energy is required? Not to say that the waves are energy, but energy's bound to be present in some form

Telepathy appears to be most noted during periods of trauma ("living ghosts" or "crisis apparitions") or death (a well witnessed one of these was the appearance of Admiral Tryon, at a party in his home, at the same time he was going down with HMS Victoria following a collision with HMS Camperdown off the coast of Tripoli)

IF these are true, would it be fair to summise that at a moment of trauma energy would be emitted from the body somehow? Could it then be either this energy, or whatever telepathy is, that somehow becomes imprinted on the ether, and replays over and again to give us a residual haunting?

IF this is the case, then over time the energy from the original trauma would have been used up, and as this happens less will be available to "power" the haunting. Think of it as being like a torch, where the haunting's the light, and the residual energy's the battery. See how it starts of brightly, but over time begins to fade until it's not even visible?

Thats how I see it anyway, though probably begged more questions than it's answered!


I also agree, very interesting theory.

Now I am sure I am misquoting this statement but it may be somewhere in the ballpark.
A haunting only last for 300 or 400 years.

Has anyone else heard of this?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1 wrote:


I also agree, very interesting theory.

Now I am sure I am misquoting this statement but it may be somewhere in the ballpark.
A haunting only last for 300 or 400 years.

Has anyone else heard of this?


Think it depends on the haunting. There are reports around here of a ghostly mammoth on one of the local beaches, and the first house I lived in was haunted 9well, the street was) by a Roman camp.

Plus Henry VIII died over 400 years ago, yet some of his wives are still said to haunt some places.

A residual nay well fade after about 400 years, would've thought it was also partly down to the severity of the original haunt though
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solstice Moon wrote:
A residual nay well fade after about 400 years, would've thought it was also partly down to the severity of the original haunt though


With your hypothesis (word of the day) of a residual haunting, this would make more sense as the energy at some point in time would eventually dwindle away.

How would you explain where a ghost/spirit haunting gets its energy?
I do understand that it has been said that "they" can drain batteries in video/camera equipment.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1 wrote:


With your hypothesis (word of the day) of a residual haunting, this would make more sense as the energy at some point in time would eventually dwindle away.

How would you explain where a ghost/spirit haunting gets its energy?
I do understand that it has been said that "they" can drain batteries in video/camera equipment.


Ok, now this is where you stop taking me seriously! :p

A lot of people assume that an spirit is a form of energy, which would seem logical if we assume the residual is some form of energy. I, however, disagree with this hypothesis (note, use of word of today)

My theory? Ok, now this may sound barmy, but I believe that the spirit is closer to physical than energy, possibly even a sub atomic particle (my knowledge of physics isnt good enough to be able to gues much more around this)

Why? I hear you ask. Well, think about it. IF a residual is a form of energy, then what is the similarity between spirit and residual? Manifestation! Energy drops are frequent around spirits when haunting, anything from battery drain (electricity) to heat loss (heat), however where do spirits go when these drains aren't occurring? They go nowhere, however as they're not actively manifesting they require much smaller energy amounts.

I'll try to explain myself. With a residual, we're seeing a projection of an event, a bit like in a cinema. As with the cinema, the projector needs energy, else there'll be no light, and no projection/ghost. In this case the projector isnt actually there still, but it chucked out enough energy for the vision to still linger (try looking at a bright light/window then look away at a plain dark wall, you'll still "see" the residual of the window.

With a spirit, I'd theorise that the spirit IS the projector, and the ghost we're seeing isn't an actual spirit, but a projection from it. remember that light and vision is just an electromagnetic impuls, just because we "see" something, doesnt mean it's actually there, it could just be a projection. If the spirit is the projector, then like in our cinema, when it's not showing a film/ghost, it's not using energy. When it is manifesting, it needs energy, and this is when we get cold spots/battery drains.

So, why did I suggest that a spirit could be sub atomic? Well, and I could be wrong, I find it more likely that it's physical if it's capable of manipulating energy in this way. Maybe it's something completely new, who knows? All we do know is that it has plentiful sources of energy available, and these seem tio diminish during haunts.

Ok, ok, I know your next question, why are there more haunts reported at night, when there's more energy ie sunlight, during the day? My answer? because at night we're more susceptible to the idea of haunts, and we rely more on our secondary "night" vision (can never remember if its the cones or rods) which seem to pick up more (thus we often see more out of the corner of our eye)

Way off the original topic, but hopefully of interest still :)
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