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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Logical alternatives Reply with quote

How about a section (interactive and open to posts and challenges of course) that deals with the more logical explanations regarding what people perceive to be ghosts, angels, demons, the Loch Ness Monster and Shadow People etc?

I could list valid alternatives for most experiences that people attribute to the paranormal. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that they're wrong just that if we apply Occams Razor and logical analysis we may be able to find an explanation that doesn't involve the supernatural.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds good to me, so where shall we start?
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things that go bump in the night? ie noises that are attributed to spirits

Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when we all go to bed we get like a sound of someone walking along the hallway, obviosly its the floor boards settling, i had to explain to the kids what it was lol its can be pretty scary
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flossy wrote:
when we all go to bed we get like a sound of someone walking along the hallway, obviosly its the floor boards settling, i had to explain to the kids what it was lol its can be pretty scary


Most, if not all, noises can be explained. The danger, particularly where children are concerned, is to immediately attribute the source of the noise to the supernatural.

When I worked in tech support I dealt with a case where a mans TV was coming on by itself during the night. His wife had recently passed away and his young daughter was scared because she thought the TV coming on was her mother trying to contact them.

In this case the TV by default when switched off stays on standby. The TV is designed to receive Firmware updates via the aerial that are broadcast several times a year. When the TV receives a Firmware update it will power on for a brief period.

I advised the gentleman that it was not his late wife making contact and told him how to switch off the Firmware Update function via the menu.

Simples.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didnt know that, bet not many people do either lol

reminds me of my mums video recorder years ago, the old type when the draw for the tape used to pop out to put the video in, it used to open and close on its own my mum was convinced it was a spirit, but my dad used to shrug it off and say it was faulty lol
i believed my dad lol
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flossy wrote:
i didnt know that, bet not many people do either lol

reminds me of my mums video recorder years ago, the old type when the draw for the tape used to pop out to put the video in, it used to open and close on its own my mum was convinced it was a spirit, but my dad used to shrug it off and say it was faulty lol
i believed my dad lol


I'm with your dad on that one. It is dangerous to jump to the wrong conclusion when all the likely possibilities have not be considered. 'Ghosts did it' is often the first conclusion drawn when something vaguely supernatural or odd happens.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i suppose when you think about it you could put an explanation to a lot of odd things that happen, specailly noises at night, which probably happen through the day too only you dont relise it
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flossy wrote:
i suppose when you think about it you could put an explanation to a lot of odd things that happen, specailly noises at night, which probably happen through the day too only you dont relise it


Noises during the day tend to get lost in the general hubbub of daytime noises such as traffic, people coming and going, radios, TV etc. Plus we're more active during the day so less likely to pick them up but more sedentary at night when it's quieter so obviously we're going to notice them more.

Due to temperature differentials a house will cool down at night resulting in the contraction of things such as wood, metal and stone.
All houses do this but the properties that are mainly wood and stone ie the older houses will do it to a greater degree.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Grandmother's answer of "house noises" would be......"Our house talks to itself at night...as all old houses do.

That, I do believe made all of us kids feel more at ease.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1 wrote:
My Grandmother's answer of "house noises" would be......"Our house talks to itself at night...as all old houses do.

That, I do believe made all of us kids feel more at ease.
Wink


I guess your Grandma was a wise old lady then because she acknowledged that houses make noises of their own accord and those noises have nothing to do with ghosts or the paranormal.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Yes DB, I do agree that houses do make the odd
noise now and again. Ours does especially during our winters.
Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a telephone in Sheffield underground which used to call in the middle of the night. It was usual answered by a security guy who just told the old lady (who people thought was a bit off her head and kept getting the wrong number) that she'd got the wrong number and that it was ok. This went on for some years, the old lady kept ringing and the guards put up with her as part of there job, they didn't want to be offensive due to her age. Some years later the council decided to fill in the underground to produce a new social area. On his last shift a guard decided as that as he had been talking to the old lady for so long he should press 1471 on the old phone and tell her that the number would be gone from then on. When he picked up the phone he found it didn't work. He pulled off the wall board to try to re connect it. The phone wires were cut and rusty. It hadn't been connected for 3 years and had been disconnected from the network many years earlier. The phone had belonged to a shop owned by an old lady who had died in her shop. Her daughter was still also receiving calls from someone who didn't talk when the phone was answered. When a complaint was put in to the phone company, it turned out to be coming from a disabled line which was once connected to the city underground.People who now walk across the city center have reported hearing a phone ringing from beneath there feet. Shes still calling lol...great true story. It was never concluded.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain Lawrence wrote:
There was a telephone in Sheffield underground which used to call in the middle of the night. It was usual answered by a security guy who just told the old lady (who people thought was a bit off her head and kept getting the wrong number) that she'd got the wrong number and that it was ok. This went on for some years, the old lady kept ringing and the guards put up with her as part of there job, they didn't want to be offensive due to her age. Some years later the council decided to fill in the underground to produce a new social area. On his last shift a guard decided as that as he had been talking to the old lady for so long he should press 1471 on the old phone and tell her that the number would be gone from then on. When he picked up the phone he found it didn't work. He pulled off the wall board to try to re connect it. The phone wires were cut and rusty. It hadn't been connected for 3 years and had been disconnected from the network many years earlier. The phone had belonged to a shop owned by an old lady who had died in her shop. Her daughter was still also receiving calls from someone who didn't talk when the phone was answered. When a complaint was put in to the phone company, it turned out to be coming from a disabled line which was once connected to the city underground.People who now walk across the city center have reported hearing a phone ringing from beneath there feet. Shes still calling lol...great true story. It was never concluded.


Wink Security Guards are plagued by crank phone calls from a dotty old lady for years but don't think to dial 1471 to tell her to stop calling them until the phone has been out of use for three further years (that they weren't aware of Rolling Eyes ) and the facility is being landfilled?.
In the three years the phone was supposedly disconnected no one tried to use the phone to make an outside call or ask "why aren't we getting any calls on that phone other than the mad old lady?. Pick it up Don and see if it's working"?.

How many people walk across that city centre?. How many have mobile phones?. How many of those mobile phones will ring while they're traversing the City Centre?. How many of those phones will have an 'old fashioned' ring tone or similar?.

Wink

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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just a story to compliment the line of conversation. I too wreckon its fictional, but I too believe theres no smoke without fire. Maybe something odd did happen and the story was added to. Its true to say that if in dought go for the obvious, I work by that ideal. My ideology of the concept of life is not based upon the standard run of things. Thanks for the interjection There are many stories like this which float around as urban legends, they may be silly in the most part, but behind every story lye's a person and a situation and we should never take anything at face value. That said, are we right to come to the simplest conclusion every time. I'll leave that one with you.
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