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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:03 am    Post subject: Alien abduction - a question for believers. Reply with quote

We've seen a number of very interesting posts on World of Ghosts lately that claim to show both UFO's, ancient astronauts and alleged alien abductions which , as usual, simply consist of links to YouTube videos.

To help clarify why I personally don't believe that aliens are abducting humans and cattle for some genetic/hybrid breeding programme (as seems to be the popular view in UFO circles) I'm going to ask a number of simple questions with a little help from the late, great Carl Sagan.

Firstly, why should beings who are so very much advanced in physics and engineering - crossing vast interstellar distance, walking like ghosts through walls - be so backward when it comes to biology?.

Why, if the aliens are trying to conduct their business in secret aren't they able to FULLY erase all memories of their abductions?. Too hard for them?.

Why are the examining instruments that are reported by the abductees macroscopic and so similar of what can be found in our local hospital?.

Why go to the trouble of repeated sexual encounters between humans and aliens?. Why not just steal a few egg and sperm cells, read the full genetic code, and then manufacture as many copies as you like adding whatever genetic variations suit your fancy?.
Even we humans, who as yet cannot quickly cross interstellar space or slither through walls, are able able to map the human genome and clone cells and even full sheep.

How can humans be the result of a human breeding programme if we share 99.6% of our active genes with the chimpanzees?. We're more closely related to chimps than rats are to mice.

These are basic common sense questions that believers need to ask and then reconcile the answers with their belief in aliens.

DB

With thanks to and for reference: The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Demon-haunted-World-Carl-Sagan/dp/0747251568
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why should beings who are so very much advanced in physics and engineering

actually we are a very primitive intelligent species, even science accepts that

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Why, if the aliens are trying to conduct their business in secret aren't they able to FULLY erase all memories of their abductions?. Too hard for them?.

endless reasons - assuming it is real - there could be different types of aliens from different places with different levels of technology - but if capable of crossing the vast expanse of space, they are all probably capable of destroying each other, hence causing inevitable truce/acceptance of each other, even if certain types are more technologically advanced than others

basically, maybe some can erase memories and others cant, maybe some communicate telepathically and others orally, maybe some believe in erasing memories and others dont morally?, different accounts say different things - some say the aliens are very passive and hospitable - others say they are hostile and indifferent, most say they get experimented on - others say they just get shown different places in the galaxy and get to ask questions etc...

just as there are moral and immoral humans, the same could be with the ETs, also temperament, outlooks etc... could vary between them

everything is very black and white for you, when in reality even what we do know - nothing is ever black and white

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Why are the examining instruments that are reported by the abductees macroscopic and so similar of what can be found in our local hospital?.

there have been a few cases where objects found have materials that could not be identified after examination and analysis by several leading universities including harvard and yale


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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why should beings who are so very much advanced in physics and engineering


actually we are a very primitive intelligent species, even science accepts that



lol i scan read that bit too quickly and misread it Laughing
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

everything is very black and white for you, when in reality even what we do know - nothing is ever black and white
Not so Cactus, many issues and subjects have grey areas for me.

2+2=4...that's pretty black and white. The Earth orbits the sun..that's pretty black and white too. Many things are black and white.

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there have been a few cases where objects found have materials that could not be identified after examination and analysis by several leading universities including harvard and yale


No alien implants have ever been proven to be either alien in nature orshowing evidence of an advanced technology - please show me where you get Harvards and Yales analysis from.

DB
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No alien implants have ever been proven to be either alien in nature orshowing evidence of an advanced technology - please show me where you get Harvards and Yales analysis from.

I came across this somewhere a few years ago - ill see if I can find it
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2+2=4...that's pretty black and white

I know that - I record countdown everyday on sky+ and I always beat/draw with contestants on numbers Cool
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll let this quote do my talking:

The most dramatic type of physical evidence would be the "implants" which many abductees claim the aliens have put up their noses or in various other parts of their anatomy. Budd Hopkins claims he has examined such an implant and has MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging) to prove numerous implant claims. When Nova put out an offer to abductees to have scientists analyze and evaluate any alleged implants, they did not get a single person willing to have their so-called implants tested or verified. So, of all the evidence for abduction, the physical evidence seems to be the weakest.

http://www.skepdic.com/aliens.html

DB
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if Aliens have made contact and there is a Secret Government cover up - the governmet could find out about anyone who claims to have an actual implant and confiscate it and threaten them Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9H2xVe5rQ&feature=related

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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9H2xVe5rQ&feature=related

Shocked


Can you tell me which part of that video or which statements are proof that the 'bits of stuff' examined are proof of alien technology?.

DB
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
Well if Aliens have made contact and there is a Secret Government cover up - the governmet could find out about anyone who claims to have an actual implant and confiscate it and threaten them Shocked


How would that happen then Cactus?. Do the aliens email the secret Government (which Government?) department with a name and address?. How would this be administered and monitored - especially in the pre-computer, pre-internet days?.
I'm not being funny but are you thinking logically mate?.

DB
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When bit's of stuff appear in your body out of the blue that are non organic with complex desing alarm bells begin to ring.

Commonly these implants are part organic part non organic and are composed of a non identifyable material. There are never any sings of an entry wound and commomly the subject becomes ill after removal.

Thats odd to day the least.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commonly these implants are part organic part non organic and are composed of a non identifyable material. There are never any sings of an entry wound

How very convenient and similar to certain organic growths that have various mineral contents due to diet.
If these 'implants' are genuinely of alien origin - where's the support from mainstream science?. Do you understand the implications of that question?.

DB
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You write that "the subject becomes ill after removal".
Can you give us more detail on what the illness
is?


Whitley Strieber has written some books on alien abduction.
Interesting read.
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1, yeah im reading communion at the moment - not sure about whitley - hes a bit dramatic Rolling Eyes
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