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bitterbuck1
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
bitterbuck1, yeah im reading communion at the moment - not sure about whitley - hes a bit dramatic Rolling Eyes


I enjoyed reading his books.
Pure entertainment for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1, you dont believe them at all?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DB wrote....

We've seen a number of very interesting posts on World of Ghosts lately that claim to show both UFO's, ancient astronauts and alleged alien abductions which , as usual, simply consist of links to YouTube videos.

To help clarify why I personally don't believe that aliens are abducting humans and cattle for some genetic/hybrid breeding programme (as seems to be the popular view in UFO circles) I'm going to ask a number of simple questions with a little help from the late, great Carl Sagan.

Firstly, why should beings who are so very much advanced in physics and engineering - crossing vast interstellar distance, walking like ghosts through walls - be so backward when it comes to biology?.
Why, if the aliens are trying to conduct their business in secret aren't they able to FULLY erase all memories of their abductions?. Too hard for them?.

Why are the examining instruments that are reported by the abductees macroscopic and so similar of what can be found in our local hospital?.

Why go to the trouble of repeated sexual encounters between humans and aliens?. Why not just steal a few egg and sperm cells, read the full genetic code, and then manufacture as many copies as you like adding whatever genetic variations suit your fancy?.
Even we humans, who as yet cannot quickly cross interstellar space or slither through walls, are able able to map the human genome and clone cells and even full sheep.

How can humans be the result of a human breeding programme if we share 99.6% of our active genes with the chimpanzees?. We're more closely related to chimps than rats are to mice. These are basic common sense questions that believers need to ask and then reconcile the answers with their belief in aliens.
DB

Here you are asking questions that are imposible to answer. Noobody has been disclosed any imformation about the aliens agenda so it would be imposible to answer.
What we do know is that cattle muttilations and UFO's are very real, OK mainstream denys and debunkers but really the debunkers are a small minority thesedays.

Cattle and a wide range of other animals have been turning up dead and mutilated in a surgical manor since the 1940's and thats just what was documented, most probobly many years before that too.
These animals are always mutilated in the same way, mostly drained of all blood(not a drop spilt) a small part of the jaw removed organs removed including the reprouductive parts and anus. It happens globally too and on many accounts there are strange lights reported.

Usually these animals are mutilated in highly inaccessable areas and in a very short time and with no tracks left behind either in or out. Also without a sound.
Try restraining a horse with a few guys and see what happens...a huge commotion

It is reported that other animals never scavenge off of the remaining carcusses.
So this phenomina is very real and suggests quite obviously that UFO's are responsible.
So thats happening and we must ask why?
We may never know but one thing for sure is that it is happening.
Here is a link to a paticually nasty case and beleive me it's not for the faint hearted...

http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=258
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the red there not to annoy you but because I think your questions were un unfair.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cattle and a wide range of other animals have been turning up dead and mutilated in a surgical manor since the 1940's and thats just what was documented, most probobly many years before that too.
These animals are always mutilated in the same way, mostly drained of all blood(not a drop spilt) a small part of the jaw removed organs removed including the reprouductive parts and anus. It happens globally too and on many accounts there are strange lights reported.


Same for cattle as for humans why don't they just read the full genetic code, and then manufacture as many copies as they like adding whatever genetic variations suit their fancy?. Far simpler IMO.

DB
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agentscott wrote:
I used the red there not to annoy you but because I think your questions were un unfair.


Not my questions - Carl Sagans - Astronomer, Astrophysicist, Cosmologist.
I'm just standing on the shoulders of giants Wink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney wrote:

Same for cattle as for humans why don't they just read the full genetic code, and then manufacture as many copies as they like adding whatever genetic variations suit their fancy?. Far simpler IMO.

DB


Perhaps there is something unique about our planet and then the creatures who live on it (have you not seen war of the worlds?) and so possibly they just dont want the tissue of clones, but creatures who were born and lived on earth.

As far as science goes there are next to no, known planets similar to earth, astrobiologists job, one maybe the zeta riticuli, where many claim the greys come from, starting with betty and barney hill (credible story) to bob lazar.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney, also i watched fire in the sky last night before i went out - knew i knew that name from somewhere, phil Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much credibility with either Barney & Betty Hills Story or Travis Waltons Cactus they're both full of flaws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_Barney_Hill_abduction
http://www.debunker.com/texts/unpredis.html
http://www.debunker.com/texts/walton.html

DB
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

barney and betty - what about the star map?

walton - the sort of people to say this? polygraphs Laughing ? never changed/added to etc his story? didnt eat/drink for 5/6 days?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
bitterbuck1, you dont believe them at all?


If he believes these things have happened to him who am I
to judge.

It's been years since I have read any of his books.
This week I will dust the books off and re-read them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is possibly truth to some of it - other things Ive heard from him, I take with a pinch of salt
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