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D B Sweeney
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| flossy wrote: | maybe they think were not ready for it just yet?
did anyone see the news about those planets they discovered, some were earth like and may have life on them  |
I'd rather they solve world hunger and mans inhumanity to man before they give us free power.
Yeah I saw that about the planets. I think it's always been a given that there are millions of Earth like planets out in the infinite vastness of space.
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bitterbuck1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| flossy wrote: | maybe they think were not ready for it just yet?
did anyone see the news about those planets they discovered, some were earth like and may have life on them |
No, I hadn't heard of this.
Did they mention how far off these planets are from us? |
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Hi DB and Bitter.
Thanks for the welcome back. |
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Bitter, I had heard of a planet discovered a while back like Earth but one side always in the dark and quite a bit bigger, I think it was called Gliese and that was brilliant news as it is a planet orbiting in the goldie locks zone and not to far from us.
Gleise could well have it's own ET life and possibly they could be among the ET's that visit us. I think I heard of some other strange solar system discoved but life there would likley be impossible as the planets have very small orbits around a massivley large sun.
I'm not sure if these are from this latest find you mentioned, what do you know so far? |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: |
Gleise could well have it's own ET life and possibly they could be among the ET's that visit us. |
That's one hell of a leap to make Agentscott. It's certainly possible but the probability that Gleise is the origin of some alien visitors is very low.
Anything's possible - but probability is a different can of worms.
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Yep your right there, but that planet is so much like this one that there must be life there and then being within 200 light years from us any inteligence would have seen us first on their list as we have seen their planet.
I do think there is a possibility that they could be visitors herer but I suspect that there might be primitive animal life there like giant reptiles ect.
Do you know how old its supposed to be?
I was very interested to here of this other crop of systems found and it turns out that back in February they did discover a 6 planet system with the small orbits but these new systems seem much more interesting.
They have found a planet like Tatooine with twin suns and up to 700 other entire solar systems.
Wow this really does up the anti if you ask me only 200 light years ish away and already multiple chances at finding life.
Space is big and we found all this right on our door step.
Aliens are certen. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | | Yep your right there, but that planet is so much like this one that there must be life there and then being within 200 light years from us any inteligence would have seen us first on their list as we have seen their planet. |
We don't know if there is life in our own solar system yet - let alone on some distant planet. We're not looking at this planet through a telescope and seeing a blue green Earth like image.
Intelligent life may be very rare, intelligent life that manages to evolve to the stage where it develops technology that can transmit to distant stars is probably rarer still. The sheer scale and distances involved when we talk about our Solar system, our galaxy and the vast distances to the next galaxy are incomprehensible to the mind of an ape - which is basically what our brains are. We think the stars are a short hop away at light speed - that's not the case.
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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The drake equasion states that life is common, ET craft are veiwed here too so we know that there are ways around the massivness of space.
Antigravity craft or light ships. |
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thecactus
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| D B Sweeney, spacetime is an interesting subject, and I believe the only way we will ever cross those massive distances is by learning how to bend time and space using gravity/anti-gravity - this is silly but I remember when I was a child in the back of a van and I would jump up so I wasn't touching anything, and I knew the van was moving at 50mph but didn't understand when I was in the air for that second or two why I wasn't thrown to the back, if you understand what I mean, I would just land where I had jumped from - I believe in the future there will be massive leaps in this area (anti-gravity propulsion) |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | The drake equasion states that life is common, ET craft are veiwed here too so we know that there are ways around the massivness of space.
Antigravity craft or light ships. |
I've no truck with the Drake equation personally. ET craft are reported but not conclusively confirmed as ET craft or we'd have re-written our text books on biology, physics and science quite a while ago.
Until we have an ET and his craft the massiveness of space is still for us an insurmountable obstacle that with our present level of technology is a barrier to interstellar exploration - and that may well be the case for our distant intelligent neighbours.
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | D B Sweeney, spacetime is an interesting subject, and I believe the only way we will ever cross those massive distances is by learning how to bend time and space using gravity/anti-gravity - this is silly but I remember when I was a child in the back of a van and I would jump up so I wasn't touching anything, and I knew the van was moving at 50mph but didn't understand when I was in the air for that second or two why I wasn't thrown to the back, if you understand what I mean, I would just land where I had jumped from - I believe in the future there will be massive leaps in this area (anti-gravity propulsion) |
I agree 
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: |
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There is no solid proff that we are not being visited, skeptics beleive that it's just unlikley and beleivers that it is likley and happening, we even have prof sometimes that gets denyed.
That is what evens the odds between beleivers and skeptics. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | There is no solid proff that we are not being visited, skeptics beleive that it's just unlikley and beleivers that it is likley and happening, we even have prof sometimes that gets denyed.
That is what evens the odds between beleivers and skeptics. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| Thats not fair, if you can dissprove something without evidence eitherway in my mind thats cheating. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | | Thats not fair, if you can dissprove something without evidence eitherway in my mind thats cheating. |
There is no solid proof that Santa Claus does not deliver presents to all the children of the world on Christmas Eve.
There's no solid proof that I don't have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage...
etc, etc....
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