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ALEX LOCKWOOD



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: THE CHAMELEON CAFE/BAR NOTTINGHAM Reply with quote

It is tucked away in a narrow alley near the Bell Inn, on Angel Row in Nottingham. Until today I didn't know that it existed. It is a venue for artists and musicians, and a friend of mine is setting up a gallery there.

While she was showing me round I sensed a strange atmosphere in the back section of the building. Centering on the staircase which rises the full height of the buiding. It made me really uncomfortable. I felt that people had died there in traumatic circumstances. And that this event had happened in the recent past [about 100 years ago].

While having a meal there, I got talking to one of the proprietors, and he said that 5 people had been killed in a fire in about 1905. In that part of the building.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be very sensitive to pick up on this Alex.
Has this ever happened to you before?
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ALEX LOCKWOOD



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitterbuck1 wrote:
You must be very sensitive to pick up on this Alex.
Has this ever happened to you before?


Whenever I go into a building, especially an old one, I am usually very good at picking up 'vibes' as I go through it. There have been several first visits where I got a 'strong impression':

Canterbury Cathedral and the Red Lion Inn, St Albans,[both 1993], Glastonbury Abbey [1995], Holyrood House [2001], to name but a few.

Newstead Abbey I'm familiar with, but I wasn't prepared for what happened at Halloween last year. The Black Monk, White Lady, and Byron's dog [Boatswain], are well-known 'apparitions' there. By contrast, 'The Cavalier', and Byron's half sister, Augusta Leigh, aren't. So I really was shocked when I 'saw' her. Shocked

Both the Red Lion, and the Chameleon Bar/Cafe, I'd never heard of before I went to them. So I had no prior knowledge of their histories. This made what I experienced in them all the more disquieting. Even more so with the Red Lion because I stayed there. That was the scariest experience I've had so far.

But although I picked up that 'traumatic feeling' from the back part of the Chameleon Bar, it is, on the whole, a very quirky rabbit-warren of a building with a 'friendly atmosphere'.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sensed a strange atmosphere in the back section of the building.

That's not unusual Alex. I get that feeling quite a lot and the fact that you happened to get it in an old building where people had died is pure coincidence, or you could have heard about the cafe in passing and forgotten that you knew what you later found out. Lot's of old buildings and quite a few new ones have had people die in them - it's where most people die....in buildings Rolling Eyes and the older the building the more likely that people have at some point died in it.

We're saturated with information all the time due to TV, the radio, the internet, movies etc and most of the time we don't even realise that we're taking it in. Picking up 'uneasy feelings' in places is by no means indicative that you have psychic abilities or that ghosts or spirits haunt the location or that the tragedy of the location is somehow being projected.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I would like explained, if indeed there is an
explanation.....

When you can walk into an area and feelings of depression or anxiety come over you. Once you walk away from that area these feelings leave you.
You move back into this area these same feelings return.

Could this possibly be due to a magnetic field in the area?
A friend of ours had some strange feelings not of depression or anxiety but illness. Here is the post I wrote awhile back of his experience.


Near our place in the desert, there is a cave with rock carvings, it is said that the Indians used the cave for ceremonies.
We always take our out of town friends there for a picnic and a "tour" of the cave.
One of our friends (John) started out okay when we went exploring the cave but halfway in he said he
didn't feel so good and asked to be led back out.

Hubby took the rest of the group exploring and I walked John back out.
We were about halfway to the entrance and he said that he was feeling much better and he asked if we could catch up with
the rest of the group and finish the "tour".

So back we went to find the rest of the group.
As we neared the area where he first felt ill, he again started to feel ill and disoriented.
Needless to say we turned back.
Once he was away from that area he felt better.

That night as we sat around the fire, a couple other friends from the group also had the same ill feelings that started
in the same area but not as severe as John's.
They told us that the feelings didn't subside until they were near the entrance of the cave.

I wonder if it was a magnetic field or something similar that was wrecking havoc on their bodies?
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ALEX LOCKWOOD



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, here is an 'explanation'. The cave and the building resonate 'frequencies' and 'energies'. These are 'transmitted' and received', not unlike how a TV functions. If someone is atuned to the particular 'wavelength' [or wavelengths'] of the place, they will 'pick up its vibes'.

As a cave is part of the Earth, the 'energies' it has depends on:

The type of rock [eg granite is known for emitting Radon].

Whether there are any fault-lines. Or water courses flowing nearby. These can produce 'ley lines' that channel geo-magnetic energy. Their structure [eg folds and layers], and configuration [eg stream confluences] will affect the flow and direction of this energy.

The general location of the cave. Is it under a plateau, hill, mountain? What's nearby in the local area, regards to natural or man-made features.

It also depends upon the history of the cave. Has it been used by humans in the past? This will determine the 'energies' it has absorbed over time.

A building is mainly constructed of natural materials. So it will have the 'energies' of those anyway. But it is an artificial structure, in the sense that those materials have been shaped to suit the form and function of that building.

Throught any building, the ratio of materials used varies. For example, the Great Pyramid is mostly limestone. And once had a polished outer casing of that material. But the Kings' Chamber is Rose Granite.

The 'resonant frequencies' of these stones differ according to their crystalline matrix. This will be affected by the size and shape of the stones used, and how they were chiselled. Then there is the form of the building to consider. And the internal chamber construction and configuration. Etc. And this is where it gets complicated! I have tried to get my head around the various factors, as explained on sites such as

www.greatdreams.com/grace/100/124quartzcheops.html
www.humanresonance.org/pyramid.html

But I get a serious headache trying to get my brain around the logistics! Physics and Maths aren't my strong point.

Finally, how much it has changed over time? For example, there are buildings that only have hauntings reported after alterations, eg a wall being demolished, or a doorway revealed.

Well, you asked! Wink
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting reply Alex. I'll respond shortly.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cave and the building resonate 'frequencies' and 'energies'.
Yes they do - all atoms vibrate to some degree but do not resonate at frequencies that humans can pick up or convert into visions or replay like a video tape. There's absolutely zero evidence to support this Alex and if you think differently please supply links.

These are 'transmitted' and received', not unlike how a TV functions.
No they're not. A TV is a TV. A building is a building. Different components and the TV works in a far more complex way than a building. If your logic is even remotely valid I should be able to watch TV on my plater ceiling. BUT I can't.

If someone is atuned to the particular 'wavelength' [or wavelengths'] of the place, they will 'pick up its vibes'.
Again - this is just woo woo. People see ghosts, feel spirits and 'pick up vibes' for all kinds of reasons that have been identified and studied over the last 150 years by psychologists. I'm not going to go into that subject here but at the end of my post I will cite the books that should be read in order to understand fully why people see and feel ghosts.


As a cave is part of the Earth, the 'energies' it has depends on:

The type of rock [eg granite is known for emitting Radon].

Whether there are any fault-lines. Or water courses flowing nearby. These can produce 'ley lines' that channel geo-magnetic energy. Their structure [eg folds and layers], and configuration [eg stream confluences] will affect the flow and direction of this energy.

The general location of the cave. Is it under a plateau, hill, mountain? What's nearby in the local area, regards to natural or man-made features.

It also depends upon the history of the cave. Has it been used by humans in the past? This will determine the 'energies' it has absorbed over time.


I'll let the books address the above points. But I will say that locations, whether they be caves, castles or council houses do not absorb or replay 'energies' or emotions or deaths or life forces - that IMO is absolute unfounded rubbish. If anyone disagrees then please submit your reasons, provide links and I'll be more than happy to engage you.

I'm not even going to go into the Pyramids. I suggest the books are looked at and preferably read and if anyone has specific points to raise with my post then please post them and I'll be only too glad to reply.

http://www.richardwiseman.com/ParaWeb/Amazing1.shtml

http://www.amazon.com/Pseudoscience-Paranormal-Critical-Examination-Evidence/dp/0879754192

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ALEX LOCKWOOD



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psychology, like Sociology, relies on a number of things. It combines perception, cognition, attention, emotion, phenomenology, motivation, brain functioning, personality, behavior, and interpersonal relationships. As well as exploring the unconscious and subconcious minds. A broad spectrum indeed. And you can't tell me that all of those can be 'measured' by empirical methodology. Because there are also deductive and inductive reasoning, and symbolic interpretation.

As the research comes from the social and natural sciences, and humanities, such as philosophy. So you can include personal opinion, supposition, guesswork, and conjecture. And you think some of this is not going to be 'woo woo'? Bookshops these days are full of it. You could build a pyramid with the stuff.

But we all have personal beliefs and opinions. We also possess free will. It's called 'democracy'. I'll certainly be exercising mine, and 'voting' with my keyboard and mouse. And on that note I'll leave you to personal views.... .
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we all have personal beliefs and opinions.

And sometimes they're wrong Alex.

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