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Jonathan1990



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:19 am    Post subject: A Video Of Haunted At Halloween On A Local Radio Station Reply with quote

Last year when it was halloween I was vey intrested about listening to this programme on a local radio station called Minster FM in York. They went to look for ghosts in the tower in the city centre. I found the advert of it a few days before it broadcasted so intresting that I actully recorded this show onto a cassette tape when it was broadcasted on the radio on 31st October 2010 10pm-12midnight. After listening to the show a few days later in November I went to visit the tower to see if I could see anything. It was daytime though and there was nothing there. I have now found some videos of it on youtube. Here they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JitIwwC5qCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84F5vB3-61M&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajv7OhGP5Gw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

How did you find those videos?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon, I'll give these videos a look see later.
Thanks for posting them. Very Happy
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the links. Here's my opinion for what it's worth. My criticism is not aimed at anyone other than the people featured in these links.

Link 1. Claire Rodgers describes what it was like to be a Knight in a suit of armour inside the tower. We have to take it as read that Claire can understand the medieval English dialect.
Firstly it's highly unlikely a Knight or defender of the tower would be wearing a suit of armour indoors. Armour was reserved for the battlefield, it was heavy and restricted movement - a bit of a hinderance for moving around the confined stairwells and rooms of the location shown. Claires experience was subjective - we have to take it on faith that she was in contact with a spirit. If faith is enough for you to believe this then fine Smile A sceptic, like myself would say that she's done a little research (but obviously not enough) and is basically making it up as she goes along.

Link 2. Paul is sceptical but believes in ghosts Rolling Eyes Jay doesn't know what a cynic is but he's still looking for ghosts Shocked Ian seems OK Smile Clair can see ghosts - she's sold on the idea and has convinced herself that she is psychic Confused Laura has also gone right down the rabbit hole and is convinced that this place is haunted by ghosts - no open minded sceptical approach here. And the last three...... Rolling Eyes
This is your typical 'post Most Haunted' crowd of no idea ghost hunters ( I won't call them investigators as this would be an insult to our members like Iain who are genuinely looking at ghosts from a scientific point of view). They'll typically go to an allegedly haunted location with a pre-existing belief that it's genuinely haunted by spirits and bumble around for three or four hours convinced that every noise, cold spot or shadow is 'evidence' of ghosts.

Link 3: Yvette wannabe interviews Claire where we find that she was born with the gift.
Because she heard voices when she was 3 Rolling Eyes . Can anyone reading this remember anything from when they were 3?. Then when she was 13 she was indoctrinated into the Spiritualist Church where her head was filled with more subjective, unprovable, fraudulent clap trap.

"The more open you are, the more you'll receive" says Claire. Translates as "The more gullible you are, the more you'll be deceived". Looking at her website the presenter sees that Claire is available for Parties etc - I wonder if she charges a fee for these parties Wink

DB
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit harsh there DB but I agree with about half of what you said :)
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Jonathan1990



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney wrote:
Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the links. Here's my opinion for what it's worth. My criticism is not aimed at anyone other than the people featured in these links.

Link 1. Claire Rodgers describes what it was like to be a Knight in a suit of armour inside the tower. We have to take it as read that Claire can understand the medieval English dialect.
Firstly it's highly unlikely a Knight or defender of the tower would be wearing a suit of armour indoors. Armour was reserved for the battlefield, it was heavy and restricted movement - a bit of a hinderance for moving around the confined stairwells and rooms of the location shown. Claires experience was subjective - we have to take it on faith that she was in contact with a spirit. If faith is enough for you to believe this then fine Smile A sceptic, like myself would say that she's done a little research (but obviously not enough) and is basically making it up as she goes along.

Link 2. Paul is sceptical but believes in ghosts Rolling Eyes Jay doesn't know what a cynic is but he's still looking for ghosts Shocked Ian seems OK Smile Clair can see ghosts - she's sold on the idea and has convinced herself that she is psychic Confused Laura has also gone right down the rabbit hole and is convinced that this place is haunted by ghosts - no open minded sceptical approach here. And the last three...... Rolling Eyes
This is your typical 'post Most Haunted' crowd of no idea ghost hunters ( I won't call them investigators as this would be an insult to our members like Iain who are genuinely looking at ghosts from a scientific point of view). They'll typically go to an allegedly haunted location with a pre-existing belief that it's genuinely haunted by spirits and bumble around for three or four hours convinced that every noise, cold spot or shadow is 'evidence' of ghosts.

Link 3: Yvette wannabe interviews Claire where we find that she was born with the gift.
Because she heard voices when she was 3 Rolling Eyes . Can anyone reading this remember anything from when they were 3?. Then when she was 13 she was indoctrinated into the Spiritualist Church where her head was filled with more subjective, unprovable, fraudulent clap trap.

"The more open you are, the more you'll receive" says Claire. Translates as "The more gullible you are, the more you'll be deceived". Looking at her website the presenter sees that Claire is available for Parties etc - I wonder if she charges a fee for these parties Wink

DB


Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building?
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan1990 wrote:

Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building?


Not necessarily IMO. It's highly unlikely but from the brief info gathered from the links about their M.O. and their 'beliefs' I'd be very surprised if they found a quantum of actual evidence for that structure harbouring spirits.

Of course, the medium WILL make contact and pick up on past events and occupants - that's what mediums do and it's easy - just look at Derek Acorah and Sam Google on MH. If you don't have to provide any evidence for your abilities and no one is going to question you then it's easy to go along on an 'investimagation' and spout a mixture of internet gleaned facts and subjective feelings of sadness/happiness (insert emotion as appropriate).
The others in the group will also validate their experiences as being 'ghostly' or paranormal because they're already hyped up and have prior knowledge of the location (in most cases).
I've seen this so many times when I've been on the various Ghost Tours in Edinburgh. People expect to feel, see, smell or hear ghosts and most of the time they do to varying degrees. They also suffer from emotional expectancy contagion where a group dynamic is sparked off by someones subjective experience of what they believe is 'one of them ghosts' Rolling Eyes

DB
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan1990,
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Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building?


In DBs opinion - but he did make a few good points - it would have helped if they brought one person of a more sceptical nature along.
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Rose92



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with DB's first comment, especially on link 2, they aren't trying to debunk any claims e.g. putting noises down to an internal draft etc. you can only say something is truly down to ghosts when you have elminated all other factors, unfortunately they don't do this in the clips.

I've been to Cliffords tower many times it has an eerie feel to it but thats about it......if you want to go to some truly spooky places in York your best going slightly off the beaten track Wink
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can only say something is truly down to ghosts when you have elminated all other factors

Very, very true Smile

DB
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Rose92



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you agree Smile
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