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D B Sweeney
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| thecactus wrote: | I watched a UFO documentary this evening by Nick Cook and the Zamora case came up - he seemed to conclude that most UFOs were secet military technology and the US Intelligence encouraged the UFO stories to help them during the cold war.
There was a good bit at the end were a guy in a garage has come up with some new technology that enables his object to levitate using electicity. |
That's quite an old documentary. I quite like Nick Cook. I can recommend his book 'The hunt for zero point' for anyone interested in the UFO's as military tech theory. The book goes into far more detail than the documentary did.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hunt-Zero-Point-Nick-Cook/dp/0099414988
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I think it was 2004 - I have to say though I did think it was a bit one sided.
I have recorded another show on sky+ The UFO Files - the first episode is about Bob Lazar - it's good. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:11 am Post subject: |
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the first episode is about Bob Lazar - it's good.
You'll like that then. Bob Lazar is the Holy Grail of UFO propulsion 
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| Though the Nick Cook documentary - he did say he still couldn't understand the 1952 Washington sightings and many others. He also believes there is a good chance the Aurora exists. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure a number of exotic military aircraft exist, the Aurora included. I don't understand many UFO sightings - nobody does or ever will because they're lost down the river of time but we can examine what evidence we do have an form rational conclusions.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:22 am Post subject: |
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That is were our views come into conflict - I don't think it is irrational to consider that Aliens have visited us using ultra advanced technology.
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You'll like that then. Bob Lazar is the Holy Grail of UFO propulsion
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If nothing else he is interesting - I think there is a chance he is genuine. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Aliens have visited us using ultra advanced technology.
Why were flames reported coming out of the Zamora craft then?. Rockets would be positively stone age to an ultra advanced civilisation.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm only after watching the end of The UFO Files Bob Lazar - how come his payslip checked out/and his fromer employers and even tax authorities were caught covering up and refusing to release information on him? Why would they do that?
How come Bob knew about the layout of the base? How did he know about the people involved in security checks? How did he know when and where the test flights took place? (as he took people out and the videotaped the tests) How would he know this stuff if he didn't have inside knowledge? |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | I'm only after watching the end of The UFO Files Bob Lazar - how come his payslip checked out/and his fromer employers and even tax authorities were caught covering up and refusing to release information on him? Why would they do that?
How come Bob knew about the layout of the base? How did he know about the people involved in security checks? How did he know when and where the test flights took place? (as he took people out and the videotaped the tests) How would he know this stuff if he didn't have inside knowledge? |
I'm not convinced his payslip did identify him as working at Area 51. It certainly would not have verified that he worked in a section that 'back engineered' alien spacecraft. I'm not disputing that he may have worked there, I'm disputing that he worked on 'flying saucers'.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Well what is your beliefs about his mind - is he intelligent? Is he a fantasist? Is he sane? |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | Well what is your beliefs about his mind - is he intelligent? Is he a fantasist? Is he sane? |
He's certainly very intelligent. A fantasist - possibly. Mental issues - maybe. A government plant- again - possibly.
What we do know is that much of his claims are just his claims, he has no physical evidence in terms of pictures, film, samples, engineering diagrams etc to support his claims.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Have you ever heard of Bill Uhouse? What do you think of him? |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I've never heard of him Cactus - who is he?.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| He was an ex-marine who claimed to have worked with alien technology too. He made a lot of claims about underground military bases too. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | He was an ex-marine who claimed to have worked with alien technology too. He made a lot of claims about underground military bases too. |
Nothing to back up his claims though?.
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